Ella 🐾 asked about 1 month ago

Appeal for retaliatory rating removal on swap 24216

Dear Admins,

the peer GreekCoiner left a negative rating after my node triggered an automated force close. As shown in the lncli closedchannels proof below, this was an automated safety close due to an outgoing HTLC timing out (resolution_type: OUTGOING_HTLC, outcome: TIMEOUT) on an unresponsive peer, not a manual or malicious close.

Proof (closedchannels output):
{
  "channel_point": "0aabf1d2dd35b205cbac042ea6845c60034d149f59c5e1ee9e432ef00d5e92a9:1",
  "closing_tx_hash": "0290a2640af75b8b9f7196f31797ddb97c24f2114b4153ba80625a99e86e5beb",
  "remote_pubkey": "02d3dfe8ee92956070e9fffb2bffbdfaa23a2ffe4ab4ae2f76da126cc8c7cdaad1",
  "close_type": "LOCAL_FORCE_CLOSE",
  "resolutions": [
    {
      "resolution_type": "OUTGOING_HTLC",
      "outcome": "TIMEOUT",
      "amount_sat": "10501"
    }
  ]
}
 Additionally, public chain metrics (mempool.space) show this peer has closed 32 channels since March, 6 of which were force closes, indicating larger peer  unresponsiveness. 

Please review and remove the retaliatory rating. 

12 Comments

LN+

LN+ Admin wrote about 1 month ago

Ok. Fixed. Fair. 


Ella 🐾 wrote about 1 month ago

Dear Admins, I did again get a negative rating there. Could you please review and remove this rating again. Thank you.


LN+

LN+ Admin wrote about 1 month ago

Ok. Done. Sorry


Ella 🐾 wrote about 1 month ago

Dear Admins, GreekCoiner did it again a third time! Do we want to play this game every day, or are you going to let him know what the admins' decision on this is? Thank you.


GreekCoiner

GreekCoiner wrote about 1 month ago

Hello every one,

 How about Ella reopening the channel and keeping it open until June 15, 2027, as agreed in swap ID 24216? 
Then a negative rating would no longer be necessary. 

Best regards Greek Coiner 


LN+

LN+ Admin wrote about 1 month ago

Thanks for clarifying. Yes. Kindly reopen and then change the rating to positive. 


Ella 🐾 wrote about 1 month ago

Hi, I have explained that I personally did not have closed the channel. It has been closed automatically by lnd because of an unreliable peer node that GreekCoiner is running. Here, have a look on the newest force-closed channels of this node in the last week: https://mempool.space/lightning/node/02d3dfe8ee92956070e9fffb2bffbdfaa23a2ffe4ab4ae2f76da126cc8c7cdaad1

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Tell me, is this normal?

So, I’m supposed to reopen a high-risk channel every two months and top up and lock the swap liquidity and burn on-chain fees? Dear Admin, you are joking? I will absolutely not! Maybe LN+ should adjust its swap rules and require sufficient uptime from the swap participants.


LN+

LN+ Admin wrote about 1 month ago

If you tried to reopen already and again force closed you should not open yet again. That’s unreasonable. 


GreekCoiner

GreekCoiner wrote 30 days ago

Hello every one,

It was, however, the very first channel with Ella that was subject to a forced close. No reopening has ever taken place. 
So please request a reopening.

Best regards Greek Coiner 


Ella 🐾 wrote 30 days ago

Hi GreekCoiner,

as long as your channels keep closing via force-close so frequently, there certainly won't be another channel between us. The risk of burning fees again—amounts the channel could never possibly recoup—is simply too high for me. I’d rather accept the negative rating.

Here’s a piece of free advice for you: You might want to take a good look at your node’s dismal statistics—specifically the fact that your channels are constantly being closed via force-close. That certainly isn't winning you any friends in the community. Or do you think other participants are specifically targeting you with force-closes just to spite you?


Ella 🐾 wrote 28 days ago

Concratualation GreekCoiner, next hit, next force-close victim. At least WRONGBEAM did already get its negative rating from you, too.
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Ella 🐾 wrote 27 days ago

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