🖖 trekon asked almost 2 years ago

Reverse reopen after force close

After a 2MM sat channel I opened to B was force closed, I was left with only 200k sats.  I'll send them the 200k sats separately, but could B open a channel to me for 2MM or would that break things with the swap? Do they need to send me the 1.8MM sats 1st for me to open to them again?

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LN+

LN+ Admin wrote almost 2 years ago

I think you may be misunderstanding how LN works. When a channel is closed you get your share and they get their share. The reason you have less or more on that channel than right after opening is because you routed on that channel. Therefore you don't need to send B anything to make them whole!


🖖 trekon

🖖 trekon wrote almost 2 years ago

Sorry. That's not the question. After the channel is force closed, I am left with only the sats that were on my side at the time. So if I want to reopen the channel, I don't have sufficient funds to do so.


🖖 trekon

🖖 trekon wrote almost 2 years ago

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Here's what I'm talking about. 7 channels force-closed at once. I opened them with 6MM sats, and now there were only 1.6MM sats returned to me. So, to reopen each channel, in some cases the majority of the funds are on their sides, so I'm wondering if they can open to me and send me an invoics or do they need to send me the funds back via invoice?


LN+

LN+ Admin wrote almost 2 years ago

Oh, I see. You can message them here on LN+. There is a message button on their profile.


🖖 trekon

🖖 trekon wrote almost 2 years ago

Maybe we need a tech-talk or Twitter space discussion about this. I've been messaging, and it the consensus seems to be that the sats are indeed still in the lightning network, and that's fine... My issue is that I cannot re-open the channels, since I don't have the sats -- which brings me back to my original question: Can the nodes to whom I previously opened channels open channels to me, since they have enough sats to do-so, or can the swaps only go one-way? Thanks, again, for the patience. 


Shire_Society_Federation wrote almost 2 years ago

You could offer to pay nodes to open channels to you.
Sample lease terms are available here: https://amboss.space/magma
Generally, for maybe 10-20,000 sats, you could get 5-6,000,000+ sats of inbound liquidity.


Midas wrote 5 months ago

It seems like the new "pool" feature is more fair, 50 days, roughly 2 months is a good lock in time to test the channel and it only pays for the proportional amount it's open.
I had one channel fail and force close that I opened in a Triangle swap after I routed 90% through it, leaving me with 10% or less and and the triangle channel recipient with 90%+. They want me to open a new channel with 100% of the "contractual" funding amount a second time at my tx expense now and rated me negatively for feedback!


🖖 trekon

🖖 trekon wrote 5 months ago

Agreed. This seems to be another way to request swaps, tho seems like force-closes are always going to be an issue. Sucks about the negative rating... Hopefully, as the tech matures, so will its users. *wink*

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