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6 reasons why you want to close a bitcoin lightning network channel

Posted about 2 months ago by LN+

Frequently Asked Question: Do I have to close my bitcoin lightning channels after some time?

Answer: No, you can keep channels open indefinitely. Many channels on the network are years old, and still working perfectly fine. There are 6 special situations when you want to close a channel listed below.

1. You absolutely NEED sats that are on your channel on chain instead. Examples for why:
  • The Bitcoin price went 10x, thus you want to put sats in cold storage.
  • You have to pay somebody on-chain.

2. Your peer went OFFLINE for a long time (9+ days), thus the channel is useless to receive or send. Also, if you both go offline, you may not be able to recover the sats in the channel. Don't be too hasty closing inactive channels, sometimes it takes a few days to fix a node.

3. You accumulated too many channels over time (100+), and your node is struggling to process all the traffic. This can happen on weaker hardware. Reducing channels fixes the problem.

4. You want to move your sats to a new node and you're not comfortable moving channel states files, or have no ability to do so. For example, when switching implementations (LND > CLN or vice versa).

5. You are going on a long sabbatical to a location without stable internet and/or electricity. Lightning nodes require to be online most of the time, unless you have a channel with a trusted node you agree with not to force-close you.

6. You're running a profit oriented routing node and a channel is not routing, but it is locking up funds (sats are on your side). Close and open to another node to make profit, unless you agreed to keep the channel open for a specific amount of time. You may also want to close & reopen to the same peer a larger channel if it was profitable.

If you can think of other reasons why you would want to close a bitcoin lightning network channel, please add a comment.

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Hello Bitcoin Lightning World

Posted 2 months ago by satoshibox

This is my first post to say hello!

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Winding down Node

Posted 2 months ago by Solid Orange LND

This node is being wound down. If I spin one back up I will post it here.

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Can I add my clearnet address to my profile/node?

Posted 3 months ago by the0ther

Hey I just got this setup and want to add the new info to my profile or list the new address for my node. Anyway to do this, I am not finding anything. Thanks!

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Lightning Down Under

Posted 3 months ago by 8DegreesWO

Largest Public ClearNet Lightning Node in Australia!

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i'm back again!

Posted 3 months ago by nodepot

after few technical issues - NODE IS ONLINE :-) 

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Ongoing Maintenance

Posted 3 months ago by gluon

Small upgrade, we hope it is less than 1h, sorry for the trouble

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Expanding Lightning

Posted 3 months ago by AlternatePassport

I want to help expand the capacity and usage of Lightning. My companies have BTC and lightning ability and will be moving to the Bitcoin Standard as we grow. I'm excited to have been part of this movement since 2013.

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First btc

Posted 3 months ago by maski.guatemala@protonmail.com

Hey Up!

Today, the node routed its first whole bitcoin in 24 hours. Maybe it has to do with those pesky half full blocks from last day.

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ZeroFeeRouting shares their experiences running the 3rd largest Lightning node

Posted 3 months ago by LN+

Read the interview I conducted with ZeroFeeRouting, a lightning network professional who ran one of the largest nodes in the bitcoin lightning network with immense success. The node was known for having no routing fees and instead earning an income by selling channels to other node operators for a small fee through their website.

LN+: Congratulations to your family regarding your second child. We wish you the very best health! Thank you for running your popular node, and for taking the time to answer these questions for the community. You ran a grand experiment in many ways and we would love to learn more about what you found out. My first question: How big was your node in terms of capacity, channel count and number of forwards (per month)?
ZFR: I had about 100 BTC in capacity, a little more than 1,600 channels and about 450,000 forwards a month.

LN+: Did you prefer the LND or the CLN ecosystem overall?
ZFR: I preferred the CLN ecosystem by a wide margin. It felt like the CLN developers are truly interested in supporting node operators and expanding the feature set of CLN. With lightning labs, I had the impression it was more about features they needed for their venture capital (Taro etc.). Might be a misjudgement - but that's how I felt.

LN+: Which implementation do you recommend for a hobby user and a serious profit oriented power user?
ZFR: CLN.

LN+: Was your node abused in some way since it had no fees, such as excessive rebalancing or such?
ZFR: It was certainly used for excessive rebalancing - would not call this abuse though. I have not been subject to any attacks.

LN+: Were you profitable, and how much did you earn (APR)?
ZFR: The node was running profitably. My APY would clock in around 2% minus on-chain fees and hardware cost.

LN+: What was the most time consuming or stressful part of running a giant node?
ZFR: Fund security.

LN+: For companies, do you recommend they run a single node or multiple nodes for redundancy?
ZFR: One single node with backup in place.

LN+: What is missing in the lightning ecosystem?
ZFR: I think it just needs a bit of time to mature.

LN+: What are the tools you use, you recommend the most?
ZFR: I've not used any third party tools - besides BTCPay for my channel sales. Everything else were tools that I developed myself.

LN+: Do you have any secrets on which nodes are good to connect to?
ZFR: Completely depends on the goal. For me it was always about connectivity. I wanted to be the best connected (i.e. least amount of hops) node in the network. If you just want to be able to make successful payments, ACINQ is the node to go. For routing, probably LOOP, WoS, Kraken, BFX as sinks and some good sources like Boltz. Breez also always worked like a source for me.

LN+: Do you have any strategies for node management that you wish to share to help people become more profitable?
ZFR: Every node operator has their own strategy. It's crucial to be aware of the cost for rebalancing, otherwise you're just subsidizing other people's routing.

LN+: Do you expect the upcoming RGB and Taro protocols to increase lightning node profitability?
ZFR: No.

LN+: If there was one thing you could change about the lightning protocol, what would it be?
ZFR: It would be great if a wallet could "overpay" an invoice. Example: You break down a 10M payment into 15 x 1M chunks and send them out through different routes, as soon as 10M have been claimed by the target node, the target node can no longer claim the rest of the payments and they would return. This would reduce failed payments by a huge margin, because right now all payment parts have to succeed in order for the payment to succeed - in my example only two thirds would need to succeed. This is technically possible already but neither implemented nor specced.

LN+: Where do you get your lightning news from?
ZFR: Twitter.

LN+: Which lightning wallets do you recommend for daily use?
ZFR: I love Breez and OBW, because they give you full control. Phoenix is an excellent wallet if you don't want to think about anything. I've never used WalletOfSatoshi.

LN+: What was your largest cost during your experiment besides deployed BTC capital?
ZFR: On-chain fees. I've had one force-close that cost me about 130,000 sats (30K for the force-close and another 100K for the sweeps).

LN+: Lightning is often compared to DeFi and criticised for having too little BTC deployed. What are your thoughts on this?
ZFR: The only anology is that you can earn a return on locked up coins. But contrary to DeFi your locked up coins are actually used for something and the return is paid by participants of the network - not by issuing new tokens. I think the liquidity on the network matches market demand. Otherwise prices for liquidity would go up.

LN+: What is the biggest barrier for merchants to adopt lightning?
ZFR: Same as BTC. The hassle of bookkeeping in what most tax authorities argue is a foreign currency.

LN+: Do you think Lightning can handle all the world’s transactions in the future or do we need L3 or other solutions?
ZFR: It will be able to handle all the worlds transactions. Whether that will be 100% noncustodial I'm unsure.

LN+: Do you think there will be other zero fee nodes filling the gap you left open with your departure?
ZFR: I don't know, but I am curious as well.

LN+: Can you recall any crisis or crazy story that happened during your experiment?
ZFR: The disk containing my database crashed, back when I was running the node on a laptop. Luckily I was able to copy it to another drive - I had no other backups a t that time.

LN+: If you could give a single advice to a new node runner, what would that be?
ZFR: Be aware that if you want to run at a profit, managing the node will take a lot of time.

LN+: What is something people care a lot about that they perhaps should not within the lightning ecosystem?
ZFR: The way the network is working at the moment, is a hunt for cheap liquidity. If someone opens a channel to a sink node like LOOP and forgets to adjust the fee, the first one to snipe that liquidity (by using it to rebalance their own channel) wins. I wished this was not the case - but currently I don't see a way out of this.

LN+: Do you think geographically distributed nodes are important?
ZFR: As long as there are tons of TOR only nodes being used as hops in routing (and speed is not a factor for wallets to construct) the routes it makes zero sense to set up geographically distributed nodes.

LN+: Tor is under attack, and it hurts lightning. What can we do about this in your opinion?
ZFR: As hard as it sounds: Not use TOR for routing payments. There are options to run a node from home with a clearnet IP via VPN.

LN+: What are the important metrics we should follow regarding the lightning network in your opinion?
ZFR: Total capacity in public channels, measured in USD.

LN+: How big do you think the lightning network will be at the same time next year, and in 5 years?
ZFR: No idea. I would assume steady, exponential growth - at least 2x every year.

LN+: Is there any project or person that we should follow as it’s underappreciated?
ZFR: I don't know if they're underappreciated but @fiatjaf, @callebtc as well as @jb55 are extremely strong recommendations.

LN+: If you hypothetically had 10,000 BTC, would you be able to deploy it to the lightning network successfully, and would it help the network?
ZFR: Yes and yes. No idea about the potential yield though. Probably way less than 1 % at the current demand for LN liquidity.

LN+: Are you planning to come back as a professional node runner at one point?
ZFR: Yes. I plan on doing this, if the opportunity presents itself.

LN+: Any other Bitcoin related project you’re following with great interest?
ZFR: Nostr.

LN+: Do you know if it’s a boy or a girl?
ZFR: A girl.

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☂️ LN+ is now available in the Umbrel app store

Posted 3 months ago by LN+

Lightning Network Plus (LN+), the free web app that helps lightning node operators to team up and create liquidity swaps to get free incoming liquidity, is now also available in the Umbrel app store.

There are several benefits to the offline Umbrel version of the app:
⚡️ Automatic Sign-in: No need to sign a message with Thunderhub or other apps
⚡️ Swaps Available for Me page: Easier to find swaps that match your node
⚡️ One-Click Channel Open: No need to copy paste node and channel capacity information
⚡️ Insufficient On-Chain Funds Detection: No more confusion around why the channel won't open

Swaps Index Page


The offline Umbrel app is meant to make it easier for new node operators getting started, therefore it offers all the basic required functionality (finding, joining and creating swaps, rating, comments, etc.)  of the online version and some more. But, it doesn't offer all the features of the online version (ex. asking support questions, receiving and sending messages, creating posts, browsing node profiles, etc.). If you want to use all the features you can also sign-in with your node here. All your settings, and activity is synced between the offline and online versions.

Swap Details Page


If you're running an Umbrel node, I hope you will test out the app and enjoy the simpler experience. If you find any bugs, wish for a feature or have any trouble, let me know! Happy to help!

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